Paradox of the Atkins Diet
March 10th, 2010Could it be that the Oriental diets are lower in fat, refined white flour and sugar, and sweets such as cakes, pies, donuts?
Or maybe the Orientals just eat less and burn it off more?
The most I've ever eaten is 3 (when I used to eat fast junk food)
I get full after one but my appetite isn't that big either. I would be scared to eat one now..
LOL..good point.
i'm surprised that there's no japanese resturant. the little town i'm in has about 20 chinese resturants and 7 japanese resturants, and it only has a population of 12,000, but then again there is a big college here that practically composes the entire town, so...
And it helps too. It's nice to have general debates and disagreements without it turning into a flame war. :-)
Meal 1: 12 donuts, 6 glazed, 6 chocolate, 1 bottle of sprite
Meal 2: McDonalds-Steak bagel meal, bottle of sprite
Meal 3: eggs, potatoes, pancakes
Meal 4: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, Sprite
Meal 5: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
Meal 6: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
Yes, believe it or not, some people eat like this. The scary part? This person isn't fat! Then again, this is also a pro athelete. (I won't tell you who.)
former pro-boxer Mark Breland, when hewas an amateur, said he usually started his day with four (4) McDonald's Quarter-Pounders and Coke.
The most I've ever eaten is 3 (when I used to eat fast junk food)
I guess that my explain why you phrased it like you did :D
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Hmm, guess there are one or possibly more after all ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2004/atkinsqa.shtml
True, I think healthy is a bad choice of words. I think nutritional would be better because the point in the protein and amino acids. I say that technically it is healthy but you are right that it has not be provent to be healthy or unheathy.
That too...true that. :-)
CNN) -- The widow of Dr. Robert Atkins and the chairman of the Atkins Physicians Council criticized a newspaper report Tuesday that said the low-carb diet guru was obese at the time of his death.
They contend The Wall Street Journal distorted a New York medical examiner's report it used as the source for its information.
Atkins died in April at age 72 after slipping and falling on an icy street and suffering a severe head injury. He remained in a coma until taken off life support.
The Wall Street Journal said that the medical report listed Atkins' weight at the time of his death as 258 pounds. The 6-foot-tall Atkins would have been considered obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's body-mass index calculator.
The newspaper also said Atkins had a history of heart disease and heart attacks.
Dr. Stuart Trager of the Atkins Physicians Council and the widow, Veronica Atkins, lambasted the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine -- a group of doctors who oppose the Atkins diet. The Wall Street Journal article said the panel had sent the medical report to the newspaper, and Trager and Veronica Atkins accused the group of illegally obtaining it.
The committee and the newspaper both declined to comment.
Trager said the weight cited in the medical report was added between the time of Atkins' accident and his death. He said Atkins weighed less than 200 pounds at the time he was injured.
"During his coma, as he deteriorated and his major organs failed, fluid retention and bloating dramatically distorted his body and left him at 258 pounds at the time of his death, a documented weight gain of over 60 pounds," the doctor said in a written statement. "How and why the Journal reported that he was obese remains the only unanswered question in this pathetic situation."
Trager said the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine should have "understood that this was not obesity."
Veronica Atkins said her "husband's medical records have been reviewed by knowledgeable doctors and his medical condition discussed with cardiac specialists."
She said her husband had developed a condition called cardiomyopathy about three years before his death and did suffer a heart attack in April 2002, which he discussed openly in interviews.
In an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live" in January 2003, Dr. Atkins said the heart attack may have been related to the cardiomyopathy -- a serious disease of the heart muscle.
He said his condition came from a viral infection, a common cause of cardiomyopathy. The problems were not connected to his diet, he said.
Veronica Atkins called those who gave the medical examiner's report to the newspaper "extremists."
"Let me state emphatically that I have been assured by my husband's physicians that my husband's health problems late in life were completely unrelated to his diet or any diet," she said in a statement.
Her husband's health at the time of his death "is a sad and distracting sideshow, taking time away from an intelligent debate of the known science," she said.
Questions have swirled about how the committee obtained the report on Atkins' death.
Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the chief medical examiner's office in New York, said the records were erroneously sent to Dr. Richard M. Fleming of the Fleming Heart and Health Institute in Omaha, Nebraska.
Borakove said the medical examiner's office is filing a complaint with the state of Nebraska.
She said the records would not be released to anyone else but said they indicate that Atkins died from the head injury.
Fleming has been unavailable for comment.
In http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/02/10/atkins.widow/
Technically the Atkins diet is not known not to be healthy because ...
I've been teaching on this subject especially since I'm in the beef business.
I guess that my explain why you phrased it like you did :D
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Hmm, guess there are one or possibly more after all ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2004/atkinsqa.shtml
Carbohydrates are not responsible for obesity, but an individuals response to refined carbohydrates may predispose them to obesity and diabetes.
How do sumo wrestlers get so big. Are they not genetically Chinese or Japanese or is it related to the special diet they consume in order to grow so large?
And some peoples bodies just do not respond favorably to regular diet high in refined sugars and starches. The American diet has changed drastically over 200 years, and not for the better. But I've also noticed a lot of "BIG" japanese people, especially the young girls, and I don't think the massive backpacks filled with honeybuns has nothing to do with it.
American society has over many years de-emphasized the importance of regular excercise early in life. Cancelling recess for elementary students in favor of math class, (in order to keep up the the Japanese students) and requiring only two scheduled hours of week of physical activities for high schoolers,(most of which is spend sitting around waiting for your turn in a "planned sports activity").
The Low Carbohydrate Way Of Eating is not some gimmick to lower calories, it is way to take advantage of a natural biological function that the body uses to survive. It really is not something that a person should do just to lose a few pounds for a month. If you check any textbook on brain physiology, it will say, [ in the absence of carbohydrates the brain (the most important organ, or so it considers itself) tells the body to start to break down fat. This creates food for the muscles to operate, but the brain needs special food which it must make from protein. So for example if you are fasting (eating nothing) your brain will make your body break down protein to feed it (muscles, like biceps and heart). By eating enough protein you will feed your brain and by eating some carbohydrates you are feeding your muscles enough sugars to not get fatigued, but they will mostly use the fat] that is my own paraphrasing.
As far as the comments "he died from his obesity" and "why take advise from a dead fat guy", here is a scenario for you:
Say your 72 year old grandmother fell down and broke her hip. (very serious and sometimes fatal) She is taken to the hospital where she is put on heavy doses of pain medication while they try to fix her. After 4 days of medication & intensive treatment she slips away and dies from complications. Now would that make your grandmother a NARCOTICS ADDICT? People would say, I don't see why anyone would let children around that old narco-fiend.
By saying that the 60 pounds of fluid weight gain. that happened after Dr. Robert Atkins accident, made him "obese" and was therefore typical of his life, is the same backwards logic as the grandmother scenario. Besides it is not polite to speak ill of the dead. :(
Dr. Atkins helped alot of people over his lifetime, and his unfortunate circumstances should not used as a "red herring". Think about it. How many people have become vegetarians to lose weight and end up fat and switching back. How many people have tried low-fat diets and ended up fat. It happens to some people and not others. But the genetically obese, the celiacs, prediabetics, and other people who have lost the weight and saved their own lives by following the Doctors advise are proof that the plan works for some much better than others. For those people, it is better to eat a little "unhealthily" and be alive, or eat "healthy" and be dead.
Meal 1: 12 donuts, 6 glazed, 6 chocolate, 1 bottle of sprite
Meal 2: McDonalds-Steak bagel meal, bottle of sprite
Meal 3: eggs, potatoes, pancakes
Meal 4: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, Sprite
Meal 5: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
Meal 6: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
Yes, believe it or not, some people eat like this. The scary part? This person isn't fat! Then again, this is also a pro athelete. (I won't tell you who.)
quite frankly, this is one of the best forums i've been on in terms of how people generally respect other's opinions and beliefs. i left one for this one, and i was finally able to check my e-mail w/o having to worry i'd see a hate note or something. of course, people do tend to get mad occasionally, watch out! :relief:
They aren't, specifically.
and if the Atkins Diet, which drastically reduces carbs and emphasizes protein, is so successful in helping overfat Americans lose fat
It may be.
The most sensible analysis I've seen of the Atkins Diet is that meat registers as more food compared to other foodstuffs when eaten so people naturally eat less as they feel full earlier. Just how healthy the Atkins Diet is is another, and highly contested, point.
Sounds yummy! :bravo:
How do sumo wrestlers get so big. Are they not genetically Chinese or Japanese or is it related to the special diet they consume in order to grow so large?
They get up at 6 am and begin training. training ends around 11 am and they bathe. Then they eat an enormous meal consisting of Chanko Nabe, a stew, with bowls of rice and washed down with beer or sake until bloated. Then from 1 pm to 4 pm they take a nap. They squeeze in another meal or two before bedtime.
I'm a martial arts instructor, and staying in shape is really important to me, and I double as a fitness instructor, and I would never consider a diet of high fats!! (ask any athlete if they would..)
If you want to do any rigorous, short-term exercise, you need carbs, which are much simpler, and more readily available for the body to burn. If you consume a lot of fat, as per the atkins diet, the body just doesn't bother processing it, and maintains a much more stable metabolism... but it will not be muscular or athletic....
moderate carbs, protein, very LOW fat, and exercise are definitly the way to go if you can make the time!!
It's Japanese horseradish. That's all that I can tell you; perhaps someone else will be more specific.
That's a good analogy and fits well :D
This is the only part that can't seemed to be explained exactly. Technically, with the Atkins diet it is healthy because no side-effects have came out of it yet.
It's funny that I found a post about it because I'm talking about it in a class that I'm involved in. I've been teaching on this subject especially since I'm in the beef business.
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