March 18th, 2010
I would like some more outside opinions on an issue I ran into a few days ago in a local tournament. I played in a blind draw 8 ball partners double elimination tournament and my partner and I were about to win the game and advance to play for third place. The shooter on the opposite team missed and left me straight in on the 8 ball. I missed and we lost the match and were eliminated. However,after I missed the 8 ball,my partner was fussing with the guy that missed the shot about the fact that he broke down his cue before I even shot the 8 ball. The guy defended himself by saying that the tourney was not part of the pool league,referring to the APA league we all play in. Keep in mind his partner did not break his cue down. The owner of the establishment was not there to make a judgment call but one of the guys running the tourney simply told the shooter that broke down his stick not to do that again.
The point I'm trying to make is whenever I play with someone and they break down their cue,I take it as a sign of conceding the game and basically telling me not that I don't have to shoot the remaining ball(s). IMO,this also applies to whenever someone starts collecting balls from the pockets of a drop pocket table to rack up a new game or when money is laid on the table by your opponent whenever you are gambling.
Looking back on the situation,if I had known the shooter broke down his stick,I wouldn't have shot at the 8 ball until I understood that he was giving me the game. I know it's all a moot point now but would you have shot at the 8 ball in this case?breaking down your own cue has nothing to do with the game play and is not governed by anyone or any regulations... if this distracted you then it is your own fault. Were he to approach the table and collect balls or anything else from the table you would have a point, but seriously, you are stretching for an excuse and no governing person would support your argument... i actually highly doubt that 'one of the guys running the tourney simply told the shooter that broke down his stick not to do that again'... you lost... in a rather poor game no less... keep playing and get over it.You were correct on the ruling most of the time, it is a concession of the game to break down your stick according to most ruling organizations.
I would like to add that this is a rule most people do NOT know. Although the correct ruling was a forfeit of the game, it's hard to make a big fuss about it and the ruling that was made is one that I would expect most of the time. "House rules" always override in tournaments, and unless the tournament operator established that BCA rules (or some other organization that has this as a written rule) then you really don't have a leg to stand on. And even if he establishes that BCA rules will be used, unless you have the rulebook on hand it's hard to prove you are right. You could point to this (WPA rules):
1.11 Concession
If a player concedes, he loses the match. For example, if a player unscrews his jointed playing cue stick while the opponent is at the table and during the opponentâ ™s decisive rack of a match, it will be considered a concession of the match.
I would guess for doubles that having one person do it would be enough to justify it as a concession. It's more cautious than anything, but you might even want to tell your opponent if you're breaking down a jump/break stick into the jump portion or else they could point to that as "breaking down your cue" even though you're at the table. Different TD's will have different rulings though. If it wasn't made clear at the beginning of the tournament, I think your situation was handled properly.I agree with you. To me the person is conceding the game however that may not be their intent; they may just feel you have an "easy shot" so think they have lost the match even before you shoot. I haven't had this happen when I've played but I know other people who have and they said they always ask the opponent (obviously only if they've notice them breaking their cue) if they are conceding the game prior to taking the shot. I think it is wrong to break down your cue before the final ball is pocketed though first of all because the opponent could miss the shot and secondly I think some people do it to shark.#If you have any other info about this subject , Please add it free.# |
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